CALVIN AND THE PROBLEM OF ROMANS 9

“Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

Romans 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

Calvin, probably due to a personality disorder often apparent in his writings, latched onto this passage as if it were the key to all of Scripture. His belief that this passage is the center and key to all of Scripture caused him to warp, distort, twist and misinterpret almost all of Scripture, forcing every verse and every passage to conform to his understanding of Romans chapter nine and this passage in particular.

Based on Romans nine, his interpretation of John 3:16 becomes so convoluted as to be hilarious… The word “world” refers only to the predestined Elect. “Whosoever” applies only to a tiny group of the Elect. “Believes” is not the result of a choice but rather a forced response over which the Elect “believer” has no choice. 2 Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” Calvin, based on his belief that Romans 9 is the focal point of all Scripture, insisted that both the word “all” and the word “any” in that passage must be limited to the Elect and that we must understand it to mean “…not wishing that any of the Elect should perish, but that all of the Elect should reach repentance.”

This is nonsense… Nothing in all of Scripture would indicate that Romans chapter nine should force such odd interpretations of passages from Genesis to Revelation…

Arminius, on the other hand, believed Romans nine to be in error and believed that it should not be included in Scripture. But it is in Scripture and it must be dealt with…

Most Christians have rejected the views of both Calvin and Arminius, deeming both doctrinal systems to be heretical. So, what do we, as Christians, do with Romans nine?

First, I must insist that Romans nine must be interpreted in the light and context of the rest of the Scripture and not the other way around. When you find a difficult passage, you do not use that passage to warp, twist and bend clear and plain Scripture. You must explain the difficult and obscure in the context of the clear and the plain. To force John 3:16, 2 Peter 3:9 and a hundred other clear and plain Scriptures to agree with Romans nine is backwards. To redefine words like world, all, whosoever, any and none in order to make the Scripture agree with your perceived “Key Passage” is a clear indication of ignorance and mental instability.

God is omniscient or all knowing. God knows the beginning from the end. Romans 8:29 says, “For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.” Predestination must be understood in the light of the foreknowledge of God. It is not those whom he predestined that he foreknew, it is those whom he foreknew that he predestined.

Understood in the light of Romans 8:29, Romans chapter nine makes perfect sense and does not disagree with any other Scriptures… In other words, by allowing plain Scripture to interpret the difficult, the Bible becomes a straightforward and clear record. Understood in the light of Romans 8:29, a very clear passage, you can understand Romans nine in a way that does not require you to redefine simple words and twist Scripture.

Yes, God loved Jacob and hated Esau. But that love and that hate were not simply the result of a random choice, devoid of any reason. When you understand that God knew, absolutely knew the DNA, the character, the personality of both men and could predict, infallibly, the actions both men would take under the same circumstances, along with how their descendants would act, it makes sense. God knew both men, inside and out, before they were born and God decided to love one and hate the other, based on that knowledge. If you follow the descendants of both men and compare the Israelites with the Edomites, you will see that God did indeed make a wise decision.

Joshua gave the people of Israel a choice. Joshua 24:14,15 reads, “Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

That choice was real. God calls all men, not desiring that any should perish but that all should come to repentance… That call is real. With the call comes the faith and power to believe. The choice is real, and God respects that choice… When Jesus said, ““For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” He meant “the world” in the most common sense of the word. He meant “whosoever” in the most common sense of the word. “Believes” is the result of a clear and plain choice. God predestines those whom He foreknew would accept him to be conformed to the image of Christ. Nothing would indicate that God predestines some to Heaven and others to Hell based on a random and mindless choice.

When God says that it is his will that none should perish, but that all should reach repentance, He means that in the simplest and most straightforward way, “none” means “none” and “all” means all. But God has given men the power to choose and that includes the right to reject him. This is consistent with all of Scripture. Even the angels have free will. When Lucifer rebelled, God let him go. One third of the angels chose to go with Satan, two thirds choose to stay with God. God honored their choice. When Jesus called the Rich Young Ruler, he walked away… Jesus let him go and honored his choice…

Romans nine, understood in the light of the whole of Scripture, does not oppose that. It is Calvin’s interpretation of Romans nine that opposes and contradicts the Scriptures, not Romans nine as it is written.

David…

Scriptural Principle and Christmas

Romans 14:2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

Let me paraphrase that, change the subject while maintaining the principle…

One person’s faith allows them to celebrate Christmas, but another, whose faith is weak, celebrates only Hanukkah.

To those who would judge those who celebrate Christmas as being weak, let me say that the Scripture says that you have it backward.

The argument against eating meat was exactly the same kind of religious garbage and Paul rejected it. You will find that in Rome, every single butcher shop was attached to a pagan temple. All of the meat available had been sacrificed to a pagan deity. Those who were weak in the faith could not eat it because it was connected to idols. Having full faith in God, the strong in the faith realized that meat is meat, is meat and that for the Christian, the connection to the idols was of none effect; it was meaningless because God saw the heart, not the meat.

I would make the same argument that the strong in the faith can celebrate Christmas because God sees the heart and the ancient connection to pagan gods is of none effect.

I would highly suggest that even if you fear the spirits of Christmas, you refrain from condemning those who have the faith to celebrate the day. Paul goes on to write:

14:5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

If I am convinced that God sees my heart and not the pagan connection, you have no right to judge me…

14:4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand…

Nonetheless, if you do fear the pagan connection, you would want to heed the final warning of the chapter…

14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin…

That speaks of food but the principle applies fully to the celebration of Christmas…

If you can, do. If you can’t, don’t…

That is the strongest of New Testament doctrine and principle…

Think about it…

David…

TRUMP AS ANTIMESSIAH

It is with deception that the AntiMessiah comes…

This is my argument that Trump is the AntiMessiah…

ONE: Who the Antichrist is not…

The Prophecy teachers of the seventies worked off of some very false assumptions and in a vacuum of information. They could not have even imagined the world we live in today. Unfortunately, most Christians today have taken those teachings to heart, as if they were Scripture.

These people were firm believers in a Rapture that would remove all American Christians from the scene before the first hint of suffering could occur… They were, to a man, committed believers in a PreTrib Rapture. They were wrong.

While they might have been reticent to state it plainly, they all believed that the United States was the Kingdom of God on earth and that America would continue to represent the God of Heaven until the day of the PreTrib Rapture.

They believed that all of the descriptions of end times bad guys were speaking of one man whom they called Antichrist. The fact that one of these men came from Assyria and the other from Rome did not matter at all… they just ground them all up like hamburger, stuffed them in a mold and baked up an Antichrist. From this comes all of the silly arguments about how this verse says he is an Assyrian and this verse says that he is from Rome and my verse is right and your verse is wrong nonsense…

The Antichrist they baked up was a very bad man… He attacked and conquered Israel. He was so evil that no one who ever went to Sunday School could be deceived… He came on the scene as evil incarnate. But the Bible says that the Jews will accept him as Messiah and that the deception will be so good that without celestial intervention, even the Elect would be deceived… (How the Elect who were raptured and in Heaven might be deceived, I have no idea.)

TWO: The AntiMessiah is a Messiah.

John 5:43 “I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him…”

2 Thessalonians 2: 3 … the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. /// 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false…

Ezekiel, Obadiah, and other prophets are in agreement that when the nations, and their evil leaders, attack Israel, God himself will destroy them. Obadiah tells us that “Esau will be left with no descendants. Edom will be destroyed… It is also very clear that the one who defeats Edom (generic for the enemies of Israel) will be from the Ten Tribes and not from Judah… The Jewish site, Chabad.org, says “”The House of Jacob will be a fire and the House of Joseph a flame, and the House of Esau for stubble.” (Obadiah 1:18): “the progeny of Esau shall be delivered only into the hands of the progeny of Joseph.” (Ten Tribes) This would mean that a Jew from the house of Josef destroys Edom…

According to 2 Thessalonians, the Man of Sin (Apollo) will sit in the Temple and call himself God. This forces us to understand that the Temple is built and the Antichrist has access to it. I believe that this is at the three and a half year mark. Up to this point, the Jews have accepted him as Messiah… Now, they realize that he is evil, they run to the wilderness where they are hidden by God and the AntiMessiah starts his war against the Saints…

THREE: Two Messiahs

If we understand that the AntiMessiah is to be Israel’s Messiah, it is helpful to understand who the Jews are looking for. When Jesus came, they rejected him because their Rabbis had long taught that Messiah would ride into Jerusalem on a horse, raise an army, defeat all of Israel’s enemies and rule the world from David’s throne… They are still looking for that guy, only they have split him into two Messiahs. You might understand their concept better if I called the first Messiah an Anti-John the Baptist, and the second Messiah the King of Israel and the Son of David…

This is from Chabad.org and tells us of Mashiach Ben Yosef… Whom they have openly identified as Donald Trump.

The principal and final function ascribed to Mashiach ben Yossef is of political and military nature. He shall wage war against the forces of evil that oppress Israel. More specifically, he will do battle against Edom, the descendants of Esau.5 Edom is the comprehensive designation of the enemies of Israel,6 and it will be crushed through the progeny of Joseph. Thus it was prophesied of old, “The House of Jacob will be a fire and the House of Joseph a flame, and the House of Esau for stubble..” (Obadiah 1:18): “the progeny of Esau shall be delivered only into the hands of the progeny of Joseph.”

This ultimate confrontation between Joseph and Esau is alluded already in the very birth of Joseph when his mother Rachel exclaimed, “G‑d has taken away my disgrace” (Genesis 30:23): with prophetic vision she foresaw that an “anointed savior” will descend from Joseph and that he will remove the disgrace of Israel. In this context she called his name “Yossef, saying ‘yossef Hashem – may G‑d add to me ben acher (lit., another son), i.e., ben acharono shel olam – one who will be at the end of the world’s time,’ from which it follows that ‘meshu’ach milchamah – one anointed for battle’ will descend from Joseph.”

The immediate results of this war will be disastrous: Mashiach ben Yossef will be killed. This is described in the prophecy of Zechariah, who says of this tragedy that “they shall mourn him as one mourns for an only child.” (Zechariah 12:10). His death will be followed by a period of great calamities. These new tribulations shall be the final test for Israel, and shortly thereafter Mashiach ben David shall come, avenge his death, resurrect him, and inaugurate the Messianic era of everlasting peace and bliss.[i]

This is who they are looking for, and this is who they will get. They have been firm and repetitive in their belief that Donald Trump is Mashiach Ben Yosef. I believe that they are right…

FOUR: Donald as Messiah

THE DONALD: Let us start with the very name. Names are usually appropriate to the person identified with the moniker. That was especially true in the Bible. It is truer in some cultures than others, but even today, we should examine the names of the powerful.

Donald – Scottish, Gaelic: World Ruler.

When he is called “The Donald” That becomes much more specific… THE WORLD RULER.

Donald calls himself Messiah…

Donald looked up at Heaven, pointed and said, “I am the Chosen One!”[ii]

A few days later, he tweeted, “Thank you to Wayne Allyn Root for the very nice words. “President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world…and the Jewish people in Israel love him like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God…”[iii]

This is accepting and reveling in titles that belong only to Jesus Christ. Donald Trump is claiming to be the Messiah. But why did Wayne Allyn Root say those things? Because they are true… The Jews in Israel are openly calling him Messiah and assigning titles like “King of Israel” and “Second Coming of God”. To the man, they are convinced that he is the one they have been waiting for…

The deception is strong… We have an arrogant, blasphemous man, who calls himself the Chosen One and revels in the titles Second Coming of God and King of Israel, who is being accepted as Messiah by the conservative Rabbis in Israel. This man commands the most powerful military in the world, he is pro-Israel, he recognized Jerusalem and the Golan, he moved the embassy, (Miracles on a par with Moses, according to the Rabbis) he kissed the wailing wall and he is known to support the building of the Third Temple. Add to that, he is offering the Peace Treaty of the Century to bring “Peace and Safety” to Israel. With all that, Christians, still buried in the nonsense taught by their highly acclaimed prophecy teachers, continue to follow him and to assert boldly that “he cannot be the Antichrist because my Bible teacher said…”

It is with deception that the AntiMessiah comes… Perhaps it is time for you to throw out those old prophecy books and see how Donald Trump actually does fit the Biblical description of the AntiMessiah… He is neither the Assyrian nor the Roman but he is the Man of Sin and the AntiMessiah…

David…


[i] https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101747/jewish/Appendix-II.htm

[ii] https://youtu.be/lzlxrPC_E_U

[iii] https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164138796205654016

Who Are the Bene Elohim?

Some would still prefer to believe a forced humanistic, but not so rational fairy tale than to accept the Bible as the Word of God…

I had an evidently well trained Rational Theologian arguing the Sethite theory of Genesis 6 and insisting that the Nephilim in the Bible were produced when the good men of Seth forced themselves on the wicked women of Cain and that their offspring was simply more evil than others and fear of them caused the people to exaggerate…

Numbers 13:33 “There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

According to him, the giants in Numbers 13:33 were just evil men and the Bible was in error and the spies were exaggerating out of fear. The Bible also lied and exaggerated the size of Og’s bed and the stature of Goliath…

I Pity the Rational Christian who has been taught to explain away the supernatural and force illogical and humanistic interpretations on Scripture.

So the “Good” sons of Seth slept with the “Evil” women of Cain and that union produced people so evil that the fear motivated people exaggerated and called them giants?

Really?

The only reason you would insist on that idea is that you refuse to accept the supernatural.

Job 1: 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”

The Sons of God in Genesis 6 are the same Sons of God found in Job…

To believe that fallen angelic beings mated with human women and produced a race of giants and superheroes makes sense… but you have good human men forcing themselves on evil human women and producing the Nephilim who were so evil that the writers of Scripture exaggerated and called them giants.

First of all, if they were good, why did they take evil wives? Secondly, What would make the progeny of Seth and Cain more evil than either of the purebred races? That makes no sense at all and only a person well-schooled in rational theology could even imagine such a fairy tale…

Yet some would still prefer to believe a forced humanistic, but not so rational fairy tale than to accept the Bible as the Word of God…

David…

Security of the Believer

There are verses that speak to the security of the believer. There are also verses that speak of losing your Salvation.

Calvin would tell me to trash, undercut, explain away or ignore every passage that speaks of losing your salvation.

Arminius would tell me to trash, undercut, explain away or ignore every passage that speaks to the security of the believer.

Having seen through the foolishness of both sides, I choose to understand that the believer is neither so secure as Calvin would have me to believe, nor on such shaky ground as Arminius would lead me to believe.

The truth is that Scripture speaks both to the security of the believer and to the very real possibility of losing your Salvation.

The same bible that quotes Jesus as saying, “No one shall pluck them out of my hand.” Says “You have been severed from Christ… you have fallen from grace.”

The same Bible that says, “you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise”, says “Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.”

Both Calvin and Arminius chose to trash bible passages that disagreed with their preconceived theses… “This I believe, this I will prove, where is my Bible?”

The Calvinist chooses to accept Calvin as his authority and to force all Scripture to agree with Calvin’s hypothesis. The Armenian accepts Arminius as his authority and forces all Scripture to agree with Arminius’ presuppositions. The Christian says “God speaks both to the security of the believer and the possibility of losing one’s salvation…” “Is there Scripture,” he asks, “that explains how the believer, who cannot be snatched out of Christ’s hand and has been sealed by the Holy Spirit should fear and tremble lest they be severed from Jesus and fall from grace?”

Of course, there is… but both Calvinists and Armenians flatly reject all Scripture that might even possibly resolve the conflict. It seems that their hero and the founder of their sect is far more important than God, Jesus and Scripture combined…

Yet Paul’s insisted that those believers who had come to trust in their own obedience to the Law for justification, had been severed from Christ and had fallen from grace. You cannot fall from where you are not, neither can you be severed from that to which you are not attached. Nor can you pretend that one who has been severed from Christ and has fallen from grace is saved and going to Heaven.

Both Calvin and Arminius seem to have believed that the loss of salvation would be centered on sin. In this, Calvin, who insisted that one was not saved by ceasing to sin and therefore could not be lost by committing sin was correct. Arminius, who seems to have believed that one is lost every time they sin and saved again every time they repent was wrong. I am most certainly a Christian and not a Calvinist, but on this point, Calvin got it right.

Galatians 5:4 addresses a particular group of people, those who “are seeking to be justified by law”. Had they fallen from grace and been severed from Christ because of sin? No. They were now lost, because they no longer believed. The faith God had given them was removed from Christ and placed in their own ability to follow the Law.

We are saved “by grace through faith in the Son of God” We are not lost when we sin and resaved when we repent. That is unscriptural. However, if we withdraw our faith from Jesus and place that faith in anything else. The Law, our own righteousness, not eating pork, going to church on the Sabbath, Calvin, Arminius, the Pope, or Donald Trump… We are lost.

Both the Calvinist and the Arminian reject this Scriptural truth, but Christians see it, accept it and rejoice in it…

Think about it…

David…

Undoing Babel

It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. (Revelation 13:7)

“Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them…” —Jehovah God

Apostle or Roman Agent?

Joseph Shellim commented on my post, “Paul’s quote is pointless, clearly indicating he was a Roman agent…”

Joseph Shellim commented on my post, “Paul’s quote is pointless, clearly indicating he was a Roman agent. Everything is created by God [Gen.1/1]. Paul’s attempt to fulfill away the laws of God marks the single greaest failure in biblical history. The Romans and Christianity also failed this attempt, to the extent not a single Christian country can stand without the Hebrew laws. Even God cannot change His covenant and laws, because God is Truth.

Ps 105/8 He hath remembered His covenant forever, the word which He commanded to a thousand generations; 10 And He established it unto Jacob for a statute, to Israel for an everlasting covenant.”

To which I replied, “And you sir, are a Hell bound pagan, having rejected the Word of God.”

His is however, the logical end to the beliefs of the legalist and Judaizer… You cannot believe that Paul was an Apostle and at the same time insist on placing gentile Christians under the Law… Every Hebrew Roots believer, Legalist and Judaizer will eventually be forced to either trash their doctrine or make Paul a reprobate… There is no other honest choice…

I once had a Hebrew Roots “Pastor” send me a 4,000-word essay on why Paul was not an Apostle and it was only by a Roman Catholic plot that his books were included in the Bible… Seriously, that is the only… the very only answer that one can come up with that can possibly justify the attempt to place Christians under the law of Moses…

You cannot believe that Paul was an Apostle and his writings are the Word of God and believe that Christians are forbidden to eat pork and shellfish and that they are required to go to church on Saturday… That is an oxymoron on steroids…

But none, absolutely none of the Judaizers will accept that they are bound by the whole law. They are bound only to dietary laws and the Sabbath… The rest of the Law can and should be ignored… You cannot preach that with Paul’s Epistles in your Bible…

I wrote, “While you are enforcing Leviticus 11, why not enforce Leviticus 15? Who gave you permission to enforce one chapter and ignore the rest of the book? When you come into full compliance with all of Leviticus, I might even listen to that garbage you selectively pick out of a single chapter… You are going to insist that rules regarding food are still in force but rules concerning blood are trashed? Good luck explaining that one to God!

Leviticus 15:19 ‘When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. 20 Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 22 Whoever touches any thing on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 23 Whether it be on the bed or on the thing on which she is sitting, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening. 24 If a man actually lies with her so that her menstrual impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days, and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.

25 ‘Now if a woman has a discharge of her blood many days, not at the period of her menstrual impurity, or if she has a discharge beyond that period, all the days of her impure discharge she shall continue as though in her menstrual impurity; she is unclean. 26 Any bed on which she lies all the days of her discharge shall be to her like her bed at menstruation; and every thing on which she sits shall be unclean, like her uncleanness at that time. 27 Likewise, whoever touches them shall be unclean and shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 28 When she becomes clean from her discharge, she shall count off for herself seven days; and afterward she will be clean. 29 Then on the eighth day she shall take for herself two turtledoves or two young pigeons and bring them in to the priest, to the doorway of the tent of meeting. 30 The priest shall offer the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. So the priest shall make atonement on her behalf before the Lord because of her impure discharge.’

31 “Thus you shall keep the sons of Israel separated from their uncleanness, so that they will not die in their uncleanness by their defiling My tabernacle that is among them.”

So throw out 80% of your New Testament and declare Paul a reprobate or throw out your Demon Doctrine that forces that decision down your throat…

David…